tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2675315250922573398.post1294930474517201558..comments2023-06-27T09:12:09.524+01:00Comments on Power and its Minions: Nine Ways to Stop Scotland Breaking FreeOutLanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04981951253443922787noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2675315250922573398.post-18878872905019884622009-06-07T23:34:18.036+01:002009-06-07T23:34:18.036+01:00Agreed, Scunnert.
This is all new to us, but thes...Agreed, Scunnert.<br /><br />This is all new to us, but these are the games Britain has been playing for 300 years. People need to remember that this how the Union was formed: bribery, misinformation, media bias (via Daniel Defoe's dodgy pamphlets), trickery, lies and treachery. <br /><br />Sometimes I feel like going up to Holyrood and just shaking some of them.OutLanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981951253443922787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2675315250922573398.post-38654787349611695242009-06-07T23:17:24.872+01:002009-06-07T23:17:24.872+01:00Thanks, AWC.
You had me reaching for my Scots an...Thanks, AWC.<br /> <br />You had me reaching for my Scots and Dutch Dictionaries there: 'I sat nome oof ths with any gleem'.' Excellent. I think I like your version better.<br /><br />But seriously, I have to agree with you, certainly based on the Nat MSPs I've met. There's a air of self-congratulation and complacency there that doesn't match the challenge ahead. I honestly think some of them can't believe they've got this far and are still walking around in a daze from two years ago.<br /><br />And these are only the tactics I've anticipated. Whitehall will have a whole raft of fun and games to keep the jocks on a short leash. And it won't stop if we achieve independence. The combined political and security apparatus of UK Inc isn't going anywhere soon.OutLanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981951253443922787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2675315250922573398.post-59569240431140980922009-06-07T16:53:56.564+01:002009-06-07T16:53:56.564+01:00Good post - well thought out. Deception, trickery...Good post - well thought out. Deception, trickery, and outright fraud - these are the tools of the union. Damn and blast them to hell.McGonagallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14887321534801112949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2675315250922573398.post-50255798024648102322009-06-07T13:09:11.041+01:002009-06-07T13:09:11.041+01:00Good analyis and my congratualtions on asking the ...Good analyis and my congratualtions on asking the hard questiosn many other nationlaists gloss over. "Leave it to Eck and Nicola", seemns to be the sum of their outlook.<br /><br />Because there is nothing "inevitable" about independence, and objectively, given current circumstances, the SNP is way underperforming. <br /><br />And for for all the reasosn you mention - and a few more - there are huge obstacles, some legitimate ones, others as you point out unfair ones, before Scotland gains independence. But who ever said politics were fair? What fools think the Unionists will, "play the game" ( Too many nats I'd answer, even ones in high places)<br /><br />Id take issue with two specific points you make - "we only got devolution because of Europe?" I could write a book on how devolution came about, but I doubt the EU would get a single mention in mine. <br /><br />And, the nat myth of a big swing to the SNP once the Tories get in at Westnmister. This did not happen in 1979, indeed the exact opposite. And for all his many faults, David Caereon is not Mrs T. <br /><br />Here is the danger - in opposition Labour reinvents itself, emerges as "the only people who can get the tories out" , an old line, but a line that worked in election after election between 1979 and 1997. And indeed with the SNP now in admistration at Holyrood and with SNP/Lib/con coalitions controlling many councils, Scottish Labour in total oppsition near everywhre could be a beast that comes back with a vengence - and even as soon as the 2011 Holyrood elections<br /><br />I sat nome oof ths with any gleem, indeed with a degree of depression. But labour is good at wiing elctions - look at Glenrothes, look at Basnnockburn last month, look at these three coucil by-elections on thursday. And could any of these have been fought in worse circumstances for Labour, with a worse set of leaders?<br /><br />But my main message? - wake up nats , shape up nats. Dont mistsake office for power. Dont start beliveing your own propaganda. Buld a movement not a media construct round wee Eck Kevin P and a ewee cabal of frankly not particular;ly talented or inspring salmondites. <br /><br />Better that Labour? - for sure,so too is my granny. Better tha Tories etc ? yes also. But good enough to break that union, that 300 year old union, centrepiece of NATO, UN permanent member....? Get over half of scots to vote yes to independence in a referredum, when faced with everything you list?<br /><br />That I doubt <br /><br />And like the labour party I knew all to well these "full up", only those and such as those need apply signs are i think already going up. <br /><br />How many members the SNP got? Once they have 100,000 they'll be in business...but with that half the current mob will be out of itAlan Smarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08238599957331198637noreply@blogger.com